But if I’m programming for client devices, I don’t have that, right? Like, if the language is slow, if the language implementation is slow, then the application’s slow because it’s running on a machine that I can’t make any faster, right? Like, if it’s running on someone’s low-spec phone in a developing country, if the language compiles to slow code, that means that app is slow. So, I have ways to sort of balance cost and performance that are under my control. So, if my language is slow, it’s running on my machines anyway, and I can throw more machines at it. Right? So, if I’m using a language like Ruby or Python on a server and I’m making a website or a service or something, I generally control the hardware, right. One of them is that it’s a language designed to run on hardware that the programmer doesn’t control. So, the bits there are: it’s cross-platform, right - so it’s not targeting a single OSPF family or something like swift is - and it’s client focused, which means for me as a language designer, I think it means two interesting things that are kind of in opposition. On the v website - so that’s the URL - the headline is “Dart as a client optimize language for fast apps on any platform.” What does that mean?īob Nystrom 00:02:41 Oh man, that is a nice brand summary. So, I’d like to start with an overview of what type of programming language Dart is and it’s top three features and when we should reach for it. You’ve got some to live up to.īob Nystrom 00:02:12 Yeah, I can promise you I won’t do as good a job as Tim would, but I’ll try to be a tolerable second place. He actually put your name forward as someone brilliant how this happened. And what we’re going to do is we’re going to talk about why and when it was created to understand when to use it it’s top three benefits where it can be used and I did a previous show with Tim Smith on flutter (episode 437). So, the show today is on the Dart programming language. I think one of the lessons I learned was just give yourself a break somewhere. I still wrestle with it at work all the time. I think we all suffer from it.īob Nystrom 00:01:33 Yeah. Gavin Henry 00:01:23 Sometimes you do get that imposter syndrome because you haven’t done the masters or you haven’t done the PhD. So, that hopefully, I don’t know, hopefully that people feel that doors are maybe a little more open than they thought they were.
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And I’ve been super fortunate in my career and I like being able to point out that yeah, it’s possible to be a software engineer at Google, even if you don’t have a college degree. Gavin Henry 00:00:55 A college dropout, a good or a bad thing?īob Nystrom 00:00:59 I mean, for me, it’s probably not necessarily a good thing, but I do like mentioning it because I know that there’s a certain number of people that have imposter syndrome about their own level of educational attainment. Everything else about me is strictly less interesting than those points.
Is there anything I missed in your bio that you’d like to add?īob Nystrom 00:00:50 No, I think that’s all the highlights. Bob, welcome to Software Engineering Radio. He’s also the author of Crafting Interpreters and Game Programming Patterns, a college dropout, and a fairly decent cook. Before falling in love with programming languages and compilers, he was a game developer, UI programmer, pixel artist, and computer animator. Bob Nystrom is a software engineer at Google working on the Dart programming language.
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